On Tuesday, The Show heard from former U.S. assistant secretary of Education Diane Ravitch about her concerns that the public schools system is being hurt by billionaires — some of whom are focused on data, while others are prioritizing religion.

For a different take, Matthew Ladner joined in for a conversation. He is a former vice president of research at the Goldwater Institute and currently director of the Center for Student Opportunity at the Arizona Charter Schools Association.

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