The pandemic has had a dramatic impact on how K-12 students are learning and how their instructors are teaching them. The effect, though not as striking, has also been felt at colleges and universities.

Millions of Americans were already taking college-level courses digitally, but the number of people — and the number and depth of classes — have gone up.

More changes are coming to higher education, and they’re not being driven solely by technology.

Earlier this spring, Arizona State University hosted an address by Arthur Levine of New York University. Levine is the author of a number of books about education, including "The Great Upheaval: Higher Education’s Past, Present, and Uncertain Future."

The Show spoke with Levine and began the conversation by asking him whether higher education has to mean different things to different people.

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