Modeling can help predict the future. There are environmental models, climate models, political models and many others.

But these different kinds of models don’t always take each other into account.

Michael Barton, though, thinks they should. He’s a professor in the School of Human Evolution & Social Change at ASU and director of the Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity.

He’s been trying to integrate different types of models and he joins me to talk about those efforts.